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>> he's got lindsey grahams digits. >> the president asked that i get together a group. >> 11 public senators. >> i was honored. >> you know lindsey graham is ready. >> in the coming days and weerks i'm going to continue reaching out. >> he's absolutely determined to get something done. >> the gop has been tagged the party of no. >> now you have speaker boehner saying -- >> the president got his tax hikes. he got his tax hikes. the president got his tax hikes. >> there is still incentive among a lot of republicans to not cooperate with this president. >> all they really need is a hug and a lunch. >> i wish he had done more of that over the years. >> president obama is not their mom. >> where this goes, i don't know. >> there is a caucus of common sense in the coming days and coming weeks. i'm going to keep on reaching out. >> i've been relatively fair to barack obama. >> he doesn't do anything. >> it's jack what you're saying. >> he's not trying to solve the fiscal cliff. now i'm really angry. >>> president obama has just finished a working dinner with 12 republican senators, the sta
>> he's got lindsey grahams digits. >> the president asked that i get together a group. >> 11 public senators. >> i was honored. >> you know lindsey graham is ready. >> in the coming days and weerks i'm going to continue reaching out. >> he's absolutely determined to get something done. >> the gop has been tagged the party of no. >> now you have speaker boehner saying -- >> the president got his tax hikes. he got his tax hikes. the...
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surprised to hear lindsey graham say that. we'll talk about rand paul but he's a thorn in the side about rand paul and the president -- this is what happened, the president saw tom brokaw, bill keller of the washington times and washington post and these liberal institutions and people, a little to the left saying, it looks like a campaign. >> chris: even the peanut gallery. >> this is a campaign here, you just got elected, a second term now and it is time to get something done and when people on the left, slightly on the left are saying that, the president said, actually, i have to make it looks like, charm offensive, whatever you want to call it. breaking bread but the fact he has to go around leadership, even the second term, why do you have to go around leadership? it is what it is. that is the world as it exists and i know he says he doesn't want to be dictator. he's not and can't wave a wand and get everything done, and the fact is you have to deal with the players on the chess board. boehner and mcconnell aed the leader
surprised to hear lindsey graham say that. we'll talk about rand paul but he's a thorn in the side about rand paul and the president -- this is what happened, the president saw tom brokaw, bill keller of the washington times and washington post and these liberal institutions and people, a little to the left saying, it looks like a campaign. >> chris: even the peanut gallery. >> this is a campaign here, you just got elected, a second term now and it is time to get something done and...
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who they might be able to negotiate, including lindsey graham. let's listen to what senator graham had to say. >> he's calling people, this is how you solve hard problems. he's working the phones, talking about, you know, following up on that, and how can we get more people in the mix. so what i see from the president is incredibly encouraging. maybe because of sequestration and frustration with the public. the time is right to act and what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue i've seen since the early years of his presidency. >> how long was your conversation? >> he wants to do the big deal. i think to get our democratic friends to move on entitlements, we're going to have to move on revenue by flattening the tax code, eliminating deductions, and preserving some of that money for the debt. i just think we know what to do, we know how to end this, what the big deal should be made of. >> jared, does that sound like a big opening to you, with lindsey graham, something of a breakthrough, when he says, w
who they might be able to negotiate, including lindsey graham. let's listen to what senator graham had to say. >> he's calling people, this is how you solve hard problems. he's working the phones, talking about, you know, following up on that, and how can we get more people in the mix. so what i see from the president is incredibly encouraging. maybe because of sequestration and frustration with the public. the time is right to act and what i see from the president is probably the most...
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. >> for the lindsey grahams of the world who say gitmo, gitmo gitmo all the time fine, that's a policy choice. for the same people who say military commissions, military commissions, military commissions sorry he can't be charged for support for terrorism which can carry a life sentence because that's disallowed as a legal matter in military commissions. >> this trial now set for april 8th. it should last only a few weeks. shep? >> shepard: doug mckelway in d.c. tonight. thanks. senator john mccain is defending the droning of terrorist suspects overseas saying sometimes it's just not possible to capture them. he is blasting senator rand paul for suggesting the u.s. might use drones on americans in america. the kentucky republican held a 13 hour filibuster the other day calling for the white house to rule out drone strikes in the united states against u.s. citizens not engaged engaged in combat. the next day the white house did just that there is a split in the republican party over. this make no mistake. ' today on "studio b" senator john mccain said it was ludicrous for senator paul t
. >> for the lindsey grahams of the world who say gitmo, gitmo gitmo all the time fine, that's a policy choice. for the same people who say military commissions, military commissions, military commissions sorry he can't be charged for support for terrorism which can carry a life sentence because that's disallowed as a legal matter in military commissions. >> this trial now set for april 8th. it should last only a few weeks. shep? >> shepard: doug mckelway in d.c. tonight....
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kelly ayotte and lindsey graham. what the white house is hoping to do is try to generate momentum or at least a conversation among some of the rank and file republicans. the reality is at a certain point he needs the republican leadership. he can't completely avoid having conversations with them. >> chris: whatever the president's motivation, the real question is, is there any basis for a deal here? is there a bridge that can be crossed on this? i was struck listening to paul ryan. he has obama care being repealed. he still wants the medicare structural reform. the premium supports. as he called it. others call it vouchers. i know the white house they at the talk about tax reform as opposed to ryan talk about keeping the rates up. not low aring rates just doing away with the loopholes so it is another tax increase. is there a deal there? >> i think it as cass many and the president picked lindsey graham to be the one to put the dinner together for a reason. he said he is open to new revenues which, of course, conserv
kelly ayotte and lindsey graham. what the white house is hoping to do is try to generate momentum or at least a conversation among some of the rank and file republicans. the reality is at a certain point he needs the republican leadership. he can't completely avoid having conversations with them. >> chris: whatever the president's motivation, the real question is, is there any basis for a deal here? is there a bridge that can be crossed on this? i was struck listening to paul ryan. he has...
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let's hear a little more of senator lindsey graham. >> he's a man to himself. you got to remember, senator paul was the one senator who voted against a resolution that said the policy of the united states will not be to contain a nuclear capable iran. >> david, is this a sign of old gop versus newer guard of the gop? >> no. actually it's not. there's always been a split on the conservative movement within the republican party between interventionist republicans, neocons, and those who are isolationists. whether it's patrick buchanan or rand paul and others, some of whom have raised fourth amendment issues when it comes to things domestically. and this -- we've just never had these guys get the platform the way rand paul has seized it. and i think it makes john mccain and lindsey graham quite nervous because rand paul is, indeed, appealing to some tea party types, libertarian types, noninterventionist conservatives, as well as the wacky black helicopter types who fueled the militia movement back in the '90s, and they want to try to keep him in check i think for
let's hear a little more of senator lindsey graham. >> he's a man to himself. you got to remember, senator paul was the one senator who voted against a resolution that said the policy of the united states will not be to contain a nuclear capable iran. >> david, is this a sign of old gop versus newer guard of the gop? >> no. actually it's not. there's always been a split on the conservative movement within the republican party between interventionist republicans, neocons, and...
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lindsey graham commented on putting the group together. let's listen to lindsey graham. >> how do you say no to the president of the united states who would like to have dinner with some of your colleagues? you don't. when the president asked that i get together a group, i willingly and i was honored to try to do that. where this goes, i don't know. >> see how to explain the whole thing. almost apologizing for meeting with the president. the president will meet separately with the democratic and republican caucuses in both the house and the senate. joining me right now nia-malika henderson who covers all this. and former mayor willie brown. thank you for joining us. i want to talk about the appearance of this and the reality of this, which is more important? >> it is the appearance of it. for all reasons fall beyond anything we can ever fathom, this is the kind of thing that should have been done from the first day that the president was elected. he should have been able to develop a relationship with every person holding office one on one
lindsey graham commented on putting the group together. let's listen to lindsey graham. >> how do you say no to the president of the united states who would like to have dinner with some of your colleagues? you don't. when the president asked that i get together a group, i willingly and i was honored to try to do that. where this goes, i don't know. >> see how to explain the whole thing. almost apologizing for meeting with the president. the president will meet separately with the...
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graham. we have former president george to be bush advisor. this is heavy-duty he takes a much criticism. >> is mr. poole was to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than full political stunts to fire up pressure of libertarian kids of the college dorm. gerri: come on. this is a surprising ran paul would object to the use of drums by the government. is this a serious political statement or stunt? >> i think he's a comparable we're so used to politicians and not for the state's people to stand up and now is there to mavericks' in washington? [laughter] gerri: there is a conflagration between the rotarians and old-fashioned republicans, a country club republicans loggerhead can they come together? >> we need to to win but senator paul also has yet to crisis. republican not there is no two-party committed don't run as individuals, a new centralized leadership, so they played the card of republican. gerri: comeeon. here is what john mccain said to the huffington post. he called them what go bi
graham. we have former president george to be bush advisor. this is heavy-duty he takes a much criticism. >> is mr. poole was to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than full political stunts to fire up pressure of libertarian kids of the college dorm. gerri: come on. this is a surprising ran paul would object to the use of drums by the government. is this a serious political statement or stunt? >> i think he's a comparable we're so used to politicians and not for the state's...
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lindsey graham had a response to that today. here it is. >> to my party, i'm a bit disappointed that you no longer apparently think we're at war. not senator paul. he's a man to himself. he has a view that i don't think is a republican view. i think is a legitimately held libertarian view. >> is this where the republican party is headed, a libertarian cam. and a traditional camp? i mean, the hypocrisy of, you know, a couple of these senators getting up, standing with rand paul on this. probably just to keep the filibuster going. but it just seems that they have really identified to the american people they've got an identity crisis, they don't even know where they stand on the use of military action if they've got the wrong president in there. >> look, certainly you have the libertarian camp and the national security camp for lack of a better word. rand paul versus mccain you're talking about. but look at now the immigration thing. some of them are coming out saying we need to change that. a lot of them are saying no, under no c
lindsey graham had a response to that today. here it is. >> to my party, i'm a bit disappointed that you no longer apparently think we're at war. not senator paul. he's a man to himself. he has a view that i don't think is a republican view. i think is a legitimately held libertarian view. >> is this where the republican party is headed, a libertarian cam. and a traditional camp? i mean, the hypocrisy of, you know, a couple of these senators getting up, standing with rand paul on...
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. >> senators john mccain and lindsey graham's scathing response to paul's nearly 13-hour -- >> i thought it was rather insulting for the way that these gentlemen responded to this. >> your words, senator, john mccain and senator lindsey graham fighting vehemently to defend president obama's policy. it was a little disorienting. >> joining me right now is senator bernie sanders of vermont, a member of the senate budget committee. sir, good to have you here. we start with what politico is putting out as the headline. grand bargain back with a question mark. we look at what paul ryan said after lunch with the president, where i think hope is being borne from. everyone needs to be part of this conversation. we need an open debate about how best to balance the budget and expand opportunities. so, sir, outside of the lines of the continuing resolution coming out of the house side. what you month would you guesstimate that we mae get the grand bargain? >> the issue is not the grand bargain. the issue is what's in the grand bargain. when you have growing inequality, 100% of all new income genera
. >> senators john mccain and lindsey graham's scathing response to paul's nearly 13-hour -- >> i thought it was rather insulting for the way that these gentlemen responded to this. >> your words, senator, john mccain and senator lindsey graham fighting vehemently to defend president obama's policy. it was a little disorienting. >> joining me right now is senator bernie sanders of vermont, a member of the senate budget committee. sir, good to have you here. we start with...
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john mccain, lindsey graham and suzanne collins. you only get to filibuster in extraordinary circumstances. and the three remaining parties to that deal in the senate this week, all voted to filibuster. caitlin halligan, saying extraordinary circumstances. >> do not get me started. because this deal that was entered into by republicans and democrats enabled republican nominees to be sent to the d.c. circuit. and we now have the situation where we've got the d.c. circuit in the hands of republican-pointed judges. this is important because we see -- >> after five years of a democratic -- >> yeah. >> we see invalidated air pollution rules. invalidated warning labels on cigarette packages, invalidated s.e.c. labels. republicans know that their judges on the d.c. circuit are going to do their bidding. it's plain and simple. and therefore, they are going to block any candidate to the d.c. circuit. it's a matter of maintaining -- >> so why are they winning? why do they win? why do they get more? >> because democrats are undisciplined. seri
john mccain, lindsey graham and suzanne collins. you only get to filibuster in extraordinary circumstances. and the three remaining parties to that deal in the senate this week, all voted to filibuster. caitlin halligan, saying extraordinary circumstances. >> do not get me started. because this deal that was entered into by republicans and democrats enabled republican nominees to be sent to the d.c. circuit. and we now have the situation where we've got the d.c. circuit in the hands of...
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although lindsey graham is also up for re-election. it is about trying to put a patchwork together. to not keep repeating the same issues. as richard point the out, you can't make him a one-term president anymore, so put that playbook away. start where we are now. positions people held over the last several years, some of it's relevant, some it not as much. you sort of have to be in the moment, and there is an urgency about trying to get a long-term deal. i think they've taken so many swings that the and failed, people are approaching it with a different attitude. at least some of the group that was a part of this last night. giving them all credit for sitting down, the president did make this happen. they went and attended. we heard from speaker boehner today about the ryan lunch saying he is not taking any message from me. the speaker thoroughly appreciates the fact that the president is talking to members, not just going through leadership. you know, we can make this a data point of bipart sfwlanship in what will be a long set of negotiations. >> we will take as many data points
although lindsey graham is also up for re-election. it is about trying to put a patchwork together. to not keep repeating the same issues. as richard point the out, you can't make him a one-term president anymore, so put that playbook away. start where we are now. positions people held over the last several years, some of it's relevant, some it not as much. you sort of have to be in the moment, and there is an urgency about trying to get a long-term deal. i think they've taken so many swings...
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. >> for the lindsey grahams of the world who say gitmo all the time. that's fine. but those who say military commissions, military commissions, sorry, but he can't be charged with material support for terrorism, which can carry a life sentence, because that is disallowed at a legal matter in military commission. but keep in mind the administration backed down from trying kalib shake mohammad in manhattan after police said security would cost $200 million per year. this trial is expect it to take three weeks. >> shepard: thanks very much. juror john mccain is with us now, member of the snarl averaged services committee, the senate committee on homeland security, back home in arizona. senator, thank you. >> thank you. >> how do you feel about this trial in lower manhattan? >> well, of course i'd be very interested in these days of sequestration how much the security costs will be. but importantly in the short term, if this individual got his miranda rights, which i'm confident he did, because any good lawyer is going to tell his or her client to do that -- then we ar
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the fact that he is saying that lindsey graham has suggested the same thing. paul ryan is sitting at home trying to figure out a way to balance the budget in ten years. >> i think it is a good thing in taking that revenue and putting it and not using it to combat the deficit. >> it soupd sounds like they ar saying let's use some of it for deficit reduction. >> that is tiny. >> i guess it is. to me, it seems like the line has been in the last month. it was the line before the revenues got passed. we can't talk about any tax some every time that is invoked in the context of nef virevenue, i only discuss it in the context of opening up the tax code of being litigated and legislated in which case nothing is going to done. >> if they can figure out a way around it, the bush tax cuts were a lowering taxes because they doubled them on january 1st. if there was a way to make them about combatting the deficit and saying this is a tax hike, i feel like they could be baited into a tax hike. if it is plausible to get more revenue it is going to have to be in the context o
the fact that he is saying that lindsey graham has suggested the same thing. paul ryan is sitting at home trying to figure out a way to balance the budget in ten years. >> i think it is a good thing in taking that revenue and putting it and not using it to combat the deficit. >> it soupd sounds like they ar saying let's use some of it for deficit reduction. >> that is tiny. >> i guess it is. to me, it seems like the line has been in the last month. it was the line before...
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. >> senator lindsey graham came up with the invite list, and the invite list is not a bunch of moderates. >> there are no moderate republicans. >> conservative republicans. some of his biggest critics and what the president's going to get from them is, okay, if you want a grand bargain, here's what you need to do for us and that's what lindsay graham and john mccain want to do. >> it looks like it's not a late dinner because a bunch of them left. >> early birds. >> appreciate it. >>> just ahead, breaking news. african lion hand raised at a sanctuary devoted to saving exotic cats, an animal on the "ellen" show a while back, killed a 26-year-old woman. we'll get the take on the attack. >>> and a cnn exclusive. the family of reevas steenkamp is speaking out for the first time since oscar pistorius was freed on bail. what they told drew griffin in south africa may change the way you see her killing. we work. we plan. ameriprise advisors can help you like they've helped millions of others. to help you retire your way, with confidence. ♪ that's what ameriprise financial does. that's what the
. >> senator lindsey graham came up with the invite list, and the invite list is not a bunch of moderates. >> there are no moderate republicans. >> conservative republicans. some of his biggest critics and what the president's going to get from them is, okay, if you want a grand bargain, here's what you need to do for us and that's what lindsay graham and john mccain want to do. >> it looks like it's not a late dinner because a bunch of them left. >> early birds....
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and those are going to be attending this dinner tonight have been invited by the president lindsey graham really made this guest list. these are republican who is are perceived as being open or at least willing to talk about compromise when it comes to the budget issues when it comes to averting the sequester. also it's important to open to compromise to things like immigration reform, gun control. those are some of the items that are going to be on the agenda. but certainly the budget, a grand bargain will be the main course at tonight's dinner when president obama sits down with those 12 republicans. but, of course, this is sort of a larger outreach than we have seen in the past. we expect it to continue in the coming days and weeks. martin. >> kristen welker at the white house, thank you. here in new york is josh barrow and professor james peterson. professor, the president challenging critics who call him aloof and disengaged reaching out to the opposing side offering what's expected to be a real plan of entitlement cuts and new revenues. could tonight be the start of something big? >
and those are going to be attending this dinner tonight have been invited by the president lindsey graham really made this guest list. these are republican who is are perceived as being open or at least willing to talk about compromise when it comes to the budget issues when it comes to averting the sequester. also it's important to open to compromise to things like immigration reform, gun control. those are some of the items that are going to be on the agenda. but certainly the budget, a grand...
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this is all in reference to the president's drone program, but john mccain and lindsey graham coming out in support of what the president has done, lindsey graham calling into question where were republicans during president bush's administration when they were using drones. joining me on set is ayman mull ha dean, you know firsthand from the work you've doane overseas, so we have the house judiciary committee, scheduled toic take up this conversation as well, certainly transparency is something that we want, but when we hear senator mccain mentioning the u.s. citizen that was killed in 2011, there was an op-ed piece in "wall street journal" "wall street journal" talking about what it means to be an enemy combatant. he was considered to be an enemy combatant, but in yemen. can a drone be used here if an enemy combatant is on american soil here. how will the conversation go? >> i think these are fundamental questions that have not been debated in the united states when it comes to applies the drone policy overseas. this is part of the criticism that many have against the united states
this is all in reference to the president's drone program, but john mccain and lindsey graham coming out in support of what the president has done, lindsey graham calling into question where were republicans during president bush's administration when they were using drones. joining me on set is ayman mull ha dean, you know firsthand from the work you've doane overseas, so we have the house judiciary committee, scheduled toic take up this conversation as well, certainly transparency is...
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john mccain and lindsey graham say he's ridiculous for what he did yesterday. there seems to be an emerging split among these republicans in the senate. what do you make of this? >> i think van also slipped in a reference to the devil in there too, but we can ignore that for a moment. you know, wolf, it's true. there is a split in the republican party, there's a split in the democratic party. senator diane finestein, the californian democratic was one of the most vociferous objectors to the president's drone program. i support a vigorous approach abroad, using drones to kill terrorists. i draw the line, like rand paul does, at home when it comes to defending the american people, we do not use the military on american soil, particularly against americans. and so i thought what rand paul did was a great wake-up bell for the nation, to focus a spotlight on a problem that's something we should talk about. and one of the worst mistakes we made in the bush administration was after september 11th, we were so worried about preventing next attack, we did everything thro
john mccain and lindsey graham say he's ridiculous for what he did yesterday. there seems to be an emerging split among these republicans in the senate. what do you make of this? >> i think van also slipped in a reference to the devil in there too, but we can ignore that for a moment. you know, wolf, it's true. there is a split in the republican party, there's a split in the democratic party. senator diane finestein, the californian democratic was one of the most vociferous objectors to...
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senators lindsey graham and john mccain slammed rand paul, calling it an ill-informed stand. >> calm down, senator. mr. holder is right. even if he doesn't explain the law very well, the u.s. government cannot randomly target american citizens on u.s. soil or anywhere else. >> let's bring in our friday gaggle, former republican governor from maryland, and from the deputy editor and contributing writer for roll call, nathan gonzalez. governor, you want to go to you off the back, because this was fascinating with rand paul. >> one-day story. >> a fascinating divide, who would have thought that mitch mcconnell would run to the senate floor to bask in the flow of rand paul, and then lindsey graham and john mccain say sit down. what does this mean for 2016. could this libertarian wing -- >> i love the libertarian wing having a role in the party. i think it's very healthy. there may be something personal here. we don't know. this was a little strong by senator mccain. i don't know as far as any personal animosity. but at this point in the cycle, it's no big deal. it's a one-day story. but
senators lindsey graham and john mccain slammed rand paul, calling it an ill-informed stand. >> calm down, senator. mr. holder is right. even if he doesn't explain the law very well, the u.s. government cannot randomly target american citizens on u.s. soil or anywhere else. >> let's bring in our friday gaggle, former republican governor from maryland, and from the deputy editor and contributing writer for roll call, nathan gonzalez. governor, you want to go to you off the back,...
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so what's on the schedule for senators john mccain and lindsey graham? reaffirming that they're going to block john brennan from running the c.i.a. just so they can talk about benghazi some more and ask questions that they've already got answered so maybe the tea party back home will like them. meanwhile, the senate intelligence committee just approved brennan's nomination, the c.i.a. needs leadership and just a reminder, the questions about benghazi have nothing at all to do with john brennan. senator mccain, senator graham, just so you know, the world is moving on without you. >>> background checks are now squarely in the forefront. the push for university background checks has emerged as a centerpiece of president obama and the democrat's efforts to enact meaningful gun reform both because it is seen as having the best chance of passing both chambers of congress and because it meets the criteria of being common sense. however, common sense has been known to struggle in the hallowed halls of this congress. right now, the fate of the universal backgroun
so what's on the schedule for senators john mccain and lindsey graham? reaffirming that they're going to block john brennan from running the c.i.a. just so they can talk about benghazi some more and ask questions that they've already got answered so maybe the tea party back home will like them. meanwhile, the senate intelligence committee just approved brennan's nomination, the c.i.a. needs leadership and just a reminder, the questions about benghazi have nothing at all to do with john brennan....
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i believe lindsey graham put together the dinner list. i think it was very smartly done because you had both conservative and moderate republicans in that room. which would breed some trust on the outside, that everybody was represented. i think that what the president is trying to do, the common-sense caucus that, you know, talking points coming out of the white house on this, there's no other option. the leadership doesn't have control of their caucuses. it's been proven time and time and time again. the president knows that. those folks in the white house know that. john boehner can't get a deal done because he doesn't have the support of his caucus. so let's go to the members of that caucus who could potentially put a deal together. there's no other option. this is the way it has to be done. and i think it's very smart what he's doing. >> michael steele, do you have an incisive analytical comment to make disguised as a question? >> no. look, i picked myself up off the floor after reading gene's piece this morning. you know, gene, brot
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graham, are putting down rand paul because he isn't one of them and he dared to question the use of u.s. military power in this case against individual citizens. where are you, a man of the left, on this one? >> well, on the subject of drones, and this is a very interesting thing to watch this divide among the republicans whereas you say the establishment, which is reflexively pro-military on the republican side, is running up against the new tea party republicans who aren't so reflexively pro-military who are ideologically libertarian and see threats to civil liberties where some progressive lefties might also. i, too, am troubled like rand paul -- like a stopped clock occasionally he's right, and on the use of drones -- >> i used that phrase yesterday. did you watch last night because i said a broken clock is right twice a day. >> i didn't see that. great minds think alike. >> it's yours, too. let me go to cynthia -- if you want to finish that thought, go ahead. rand paul can be pretty wacky. he's talking about the united states government hitting somebody in a cafe. i imagine a c
graham, are putting down rand paul because he isn't one of them and he dared to question the use of u.s. military power in this case against individual citizens. where are you, a man of the left, on this one? >> well, on the subject of drones, and this is a very interesting thing to watch this divide among the republicans whereas you say the establishment, which is reflexively pro-military on the republican side, is running up against the new tea party republicans who aren't so...
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and then 24 hours later he got hammered by john mccain, lindsey graham. so what do you make of the divisions there? >> well, it's very interesting. first of all i would say it's not particularly senatorial to call your colleague a wacko bird. that is an interesting way to get a lock with everybody, that is what senator mccain had to say about senator paul. look there are a bunch of divisions be within the republican party, social con serving difficult, fiscal conservatives, isolationist, neokonst, democracy promoters and this is another one between the libertarians an those who believe in strong, executive authority. and particularly during the war on terror. we -- hear a lot from that group during the bush-- mrtion. now you have a democratic president, that may have enhanlsed it a little bit. i thought that senator paul did a good service in the sense that he brought attention to this throne issue which has been underattend toad in terms of what are we doing. where are we doing it, what is the legal basis for it. who exactly is doing it. those rawl legit
and then 24 hours later he got hammered by john mccain, lindsey graham. so what do you make of the divisions there? >> well, it's very interesting. first of all i would say it's not particularly senatorial to call your colleague a wacko bird. that is an interesting way to get a lock with everybody, that is what senator mccain had to say about senator paul. look there are a bunch of divisions be within the republican party, social con serving difficult, fiscal conservatives, isolationist,...
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john mccain and lindsey graham. john mccain not much of a constituency in the republican party and graham worrying about a primary in 2014. rand paul showed that the republican party is coming around to paulism and he's a lot craftier than his father to bringing it around. >> to toure's point, that's problematic for the party because the rhetoric is still the old 2010 tea party makers and takers, i'm randism and damaging to the brand and so far out there. supports a complete ban of abortion and to the extent to embrace that, i don't think that's a positive development to the party. >> that's mane striming it. >> graham is promoting a fear of the american government, especially the obama-led, fear of american government and hear a lot from the savages and these people. that's just not -- >> then let -- if the fear is out there, let the administration address it and holder started to do that today. that's a positive letter. >> all right. >>> while they were all talk, the president and other republicans were fine dinin
john mccain and lindsey graham. john mccain not much of a constituency in the republican party and graham worrying about a primary in 2014. rand paul showed that the republican party is coming around to paulism and he's a lot craftier than his father to bringing it around. >> to toure's point, that's problematic for the party because the rhetoric is still the old 2010 tea party makers and takers, i'm randism and damaging to the brand and so far out there. supports a complete ban of...
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on the budget deficit, there's a group of republicans, bob corker of tennessee, lindsey graham of south carolina who want to reap some big bipartisan reduction deal that has tax increases and also spending cuts in it. and the president is trying to engage that group. try to work around. he knows mitchell mcconnell probably doesn't want to help him because of the primary. but the goal of the president is to work with republicans, about 12 republicans. if they can get something drawn together, they can reach a deal, he's hoping house republicans will allow it to come to the floor and be voted on. i think that could be a good, smart strategy. the president has tried a lot. he's watched super bowl with the republicans, had them over to his house, watched movies with them, played basketball with them. and none of that has worked on a lot of issues. i'm not sure -- >> i love the way you say he's had them over to his house, it's the white house. that struck me as, yeah, okay. anyway, thank you guys. >> thank you. >> good to see you. >>> now to number five on our first five web stories, the bie
on the budget deficit, there's a group of republicans, bob corker of tennessee, lindsey graham of south carolina who want to reap some big bipartisan reduction deal that has tax increases and also spending cuts in it. and the president is trying to engage that group. try to work around. he knows mitchell mcconnell probably doesn't want to help him because of the primary. but the goal of the president is to work with republicans, about 12 republicans. if they can get something drawn together,...
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graham, they accused you of theaterics or political stunt i think senator mccain used. is this a fair debate and how do you respond to that? >> i think it's a good debate. i think they're on the wrong side of history. >> greta: do you mind they called it a stunt? >> i don't admire that kind of add homonym, but they've been arguing you can indefinitely detain a u.s. citizen, i asked senator mccain directly can you send a u.s. citizen to guantanamo bay without a trial forever? and his answer was yes, if i deem them to be a safety risk. problem is that's an accusation, if a government or a politician calls you an enemy combatant, is that enough to whisk you off to guantanamo bay or is that enough to have a drone strike on you? and see, both of these senators argue that america is part of the battlefield for the laws of war apply. well, the laws of war sometimes don't involve due process and i acknowledge that. if soldiers -- if the enemy is shooting at our soldiers, there is no due process involved with that, we shoot back to kill. there are no judges and juries, but ameri
graham, they accused you of theaterics or political stunt i think senator mccain used. is this a fair debate and how do you respond to that? >> i think it's a good debate. i think they're on the wrong side of history. >> greta: do you mind they called it a stunt? >> i don't admire that kind of add homonym, but they've been arguing you can indefinitely detain a u.s. citizen, i asked senator mccain directly can you send a u.s. citizen to guantanamo bay without a trial forever?...
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you saw him have john mccain and lindsey graham in for a private conversation this week. to me that was a very good sign. it's very important that they keep talking to each other and maybe on some issues like immigration they can make some progress. >> and, eugene, politically speaking the white house already starting to lay plans for what's going to happen in 2014. they need 17 seats to take control. that's a tall order. it would have to be clinton-like in terms of its achievement. >> it's a very tall order, particularly after redistricting has made a lot of safe districts for the republican majority. it's very difficult to draw a map and look at it and see how they pick up those 17 seats. then again, we're getting used to some pretty big swings in the house. >> no doubt. >> and not all anticipated. >> thank you. >> it happens. >> thank you. >> you gene robinson. thank you, jonathan alter. >>> up next, it's happened yet again, the right wing falls for another story without checking into whether it's true. this is "hardball," the place for politics. her recipe with sharon
you saw him have john mccain and lindsey graham in for a private conversation this week. to me that was a very good sign. it's very important that they keep talking to each other and maybe on some issues like immigration they can make some progress. >> and, eugene, politically speaking the white house already starting to lay plans for what's going to happen in 2014. they need 17 seats to take control. that's a tall order. it would have to be clinton-like in terms of its achievement....
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but then, fellow republicans like john mccain and lindsey graham criticized him. here's mccain. >> i don't think that what happened yesterday is helpful to the american people. but somehow, to allege that the united states of america, our government would drop a drone hellfire missile on jane fonda, that is -- that brings the conversation from a serious discussion about u.s. policy to the realm of the ridiculous. >> my first thought was who are you and what have you done to john mccain? i assume that you are fine with republican senators targeting each other. but some liberals also agree with rand paul. is he exposing a guidivide on t left about this president's anti-terrorist strategy? >> well, first of all, i just think maybe we're going to be having normal politics in america again. what's happened the past four years has been quite shameful. you had the republicans said look, our number one priority is to get rid of this president, so every liberal and progressive said well, our number one priority is to keep him in there. so then it was just straight shirts a
but then, fellow republicans like john mccain and lindsey graham criticized him. here's mccain. >> i don't think that what happened yesterday is helpful to the american people. but somehow, to allege that the united states of america, our government would drop a drone hellfire missile on jane fonda, that is -- that brings the conversation from a serious discussion about u.s. policy to the realm of the ridiculous. >> my first thought was who are you and what have you done to john...
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graham because john mccain is upset then lindsey is upset too. oh, yeah and the go ahead that john mccain -- in fact -- went on actually to call at it disservice to raise this issue. >> so we have done i think a disservice to a lot of americans by make them believe that somehow they are in danger from their government. they are not. >> by the way, what have republicans done for the past five or six years? making their terrified that the government is going to take your guns. everyone wants to take over your lives. >> bill: yeah, that's all they do is the scare tactic and rand paul was responding to later from the attorney general of the united states who said we have the legal authority to kill americans on american soil with a drone. jesus, that's worth raising the question about it. and it was john mccain and lindsey graham, what service do they provide by raising the big issue of benghazi and accusing president obama for being responsible for the death of ambassador stephens when the congress had cut the funding. so they made a huge phony deal
graham because john mccain is upset then lindsey is upset too. oh, yeah and the go ahead that john mccain -- in fact -- went on actually to call at it disservice to raise this issue. >> so we have done i think a disservice to a lot of americans by make them believe that somehow they are in danger from their government. they are not. >> by the way, what have republicans done for the past five or six years? making their terrified that the government is going to take your guns....
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including lindsey graham. >> i am encouraged by the president's outreach. i hope it bears fruit. >> white house spokesman jay carney says the president wants to talk about a grand bar gone budget deal. but also coming together on issues like immigration reform. >> the president is interested in, you know, finding the members of the caucus of common sense. >> the president is dining to close to a dozen rank and file republicans, a list that does not include boehner or senator republican leader mitch mcconnell. >> i wish he had done more over the years. we have had all of us limited interaction with the president. he doesn't have to go through me to call my members and i'm sure he will. >> the president has asked to meet separately next week with the caucuses of the house democrats, senate democrats, house republicans and senate republicans. the first time he has met with the republicans on the hill since 2010. >> bret: thank you. what has been characterized as major snowstorm is moving up the coast. it's not that bad in washington. more rain than snow. but i
including lindsey graham. >> i am encouraged by the president's outreach. i hope it bears fruit. >> white house spokesman jay carney says the president wants to talk about a grand bar gone budget deal. but also coming together on issues like immigration reform. >> the president is interested in, you know, finding the members of the caucus of common sense. >> the president is dining to close to a dozen rank and file republicans, a list that does not include boehner or...
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you have the neocon people like lindsey graham and john mccain who are ready at the snap of the fingers to go to war. that's the first solution. let's go to war. they always have one ready. then you have the very conservative, old pat buchanan breed, of people like rand paul who are very suspicious of our power being used for any purpose besides basic national defense. >> yeah, right. that's the split in the republican party and they're going to have to deal with that. the other thing he was driving at i think is, look, i personally, like a lot of democrats i guess, i have confidence -- i know that president obama thinks about the use of drones and i know that he and -- i have confidence in him -- >> suppose cheney were president right now. >> exactly. >> right now. >> he's only going to be president for another 3 1/2 years. others are going to follow, and unless we kind of think about what sort of limits, if any, we want to put -- >> you remember cheney's speech about the shadowlands and the gray areas of the world and the hallways and the back hauls. >> exactly. >> he talks like that.
you have the neocon people like lindsey graham and john mccain who are ready at the snap of the fingers to go to war. that's the first solution. let's go to war. they always have one ready. then you have the very conservative, old pat buchanan breed, of people like rand paul who are very suspicious of our power being used for any purpose besides basic national defense. >> yeah, right. that's the split in the republican party and they're going to have to deal with that. the other thing he...
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. >> yessssssssjohn mccain and his southern bell lindsey graham. i don't remember any of you suggesting that president bush was going to kill anybody with a drone. thank you, lindsay! and have an extra mint julep on me. he said i must say the use of jane fonda's name does bring up certain memories but she acted within her constitutional rights, and to say this is simply false. thank you grampy. thank you grampy. ♪ let's hear it for the boys ♪ ♪ let's give the boy a hand ♪ >> stephanie: fight. fight! and the wall street journal [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: calm down senator. >> i loved that. it was so condescending. >> stephanie: the editorial board was not among those lauding the senator, asking him to calm down. >> they are not one of his fans. >> stephanie: stop it. they brought in ann romney to tell him to stop it. >> ann romney: stop it. this is hard. you want to try it, get in the ring. >> stephanie: you want to try it without a catheter you try it. >> i am not one of your fans! >> stephanie: noting paul's theatri
. >> yessssssssjohn mccain and his southern bell lindsey graham. i don't remember any of you suggesting that president bush was going to kill anybody with a drone. thank you, lindsay! and have an extra mint julep on me. he said i must say the use of jane fonda's name does bring up certain memories but she acted within her constitutional rights, and to say this is simply false. thank you grampy. thank you grampy. ♪ let's hear it for the boys ♪ ♪ let's give the boy a hand ♪ >>...
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graham camp than the rand paul camp. however, it was striking to a lot of people that the bright stars of the republican party like florida senator marco rubio and texas senator ted cruz joined rand paul in the filibuster against the obama administration's drone poll sane i think that's what really fired up folks like mccain and graham seeing some of the young stars of the republican party, the young tea party stars going on a tangent regarding national security and foreign policy and the republican party definitely isn't known for. >> let's play what rand paul -- just gave an interview this morning to glenn beck on his radio show. here's a little bit of what rand paul said regarding his critics. let's play it. >> government were comprised of angels we wouldn't need rules and so i try to make it less about president obama and more about what if some day we elect someone who wouldn't -- who would abuse this power? >> senator, there's been some criticism of your filibuster last night including from apparently lindsey graha
graham camp than the rand paul camp. however, it was striking to a lot of people that the bright stars of the republican party like florida senator marco rubio and texas senator ted cruz joined rand paul in the filibuster against the obama administration's drone poll sane i think that's what really fired up folks like mccain and graham seeing some of the young stars of the republican party, the young tea party stars going on a tangent regarding national security and foreign policy and the...
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senators lindsey graham and john mccain launched their own drone strike against paul. >> we have done, i think, a disservice to a lot of americans by making them believe that somehow they are in danger from their government. they are not. i don't think what happened yesterday is helpful to the american people. what we saw yesterday is going to give ammunition to those critics who say that the rules of the senate are being abused. i hope that my colleagues on this side of the aisle will take that into consideration. >> to take this debate into the absurd is what i object to. >> laura: now, don't get me wrong. they have the right to disagree with paul and the majority of g.o.p. senators who stood with him. but, given that the filibuster lasted 13 hours, why didn't either of them have the moxxy to debate their colleague face to face on the senate floor? what were they afraid of? presumably they could have done so either before or after their dinner with the president. were they jealous that a junior senator dominated the headlines and managed to galvanize left and right? are they worried
senators lindsey graham and john mccain launched their own drone strike against paul. >> we have done, i think, a disservice to a lot of americans by making them believe that somehow they are in danger from their government. they are not. i don't think what happened yesterday is helpful to the american people. what we saw yesterday is going to give ammunition to those critics who say that the rules of the senate are being abused. i hope that my colleagues on this side of the aisle will...
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john's day has come and gone, lindsey graham has got to fight to get reelected. lou: do you think he'll get reelected? >> i think he's got a tough primary. at the end of the day, it's not a bad thing to have change, but i think these young people, basically, are going to become significant leaders of the new tea party, whatever it may be, but it's gointo be a very significant party, and we need, basically, energy in our party, and they will create energy. lou: a south dakota law, matt, i want to bring this up with you, a south dakota law will allow teachers to have guns in classrooms, specifically allowing teachers to carry firearms. other states have provisions, you know, that they can be armed. what's your reaction? >> well, i think it's great. i hope texas does the same thing. i think they're absolutely doing the right thing. they will give
john's day has come and gone, lindsey graham has got to fight to get reelected. lou: do you think he'll get reelected? >> i think he's got a tough primary. at the end of the day, it's not a bad thing to have change, but i think these young people, basically, are going to become significant leaders of the new tea party, whatever it may be, but it's gointo be a very significant party, and we need, basically, energy in our party, and they will create energy. lou: a south dakota law, matt, i...
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on thursday mccain and lindsey graham, as you know, skewered mr. paul, particularly his filibuster. so who wins this rare old tussle? is it the old guard or the new guard? >> it is an interesting establishment gop versus this tea party gop -- >> who wins? >> you know, i think rand paul within the conservative bubble comes out looking better. now, obviously to you and me we listen to it and graham and mccain are making more sense. rand paul is fighting a good fight against a problem that does not exist, a wild hypothetical that has not happened, perhaps never will happen. part of the gop's program of like real solutions for fake problems. americans in restaurants can rest assured that they will not be droned. >> i hope jane fonda knows that. >> especially if they're not combatants against america. so they can be comfortable tonight and into the future. but like rand paul 2016 is actually looking better. is he going to win the nomination? probably not. is he going to be president? certainly not. but he can be a player in 2016 and doing that thing we've seen in the primaries where you
on thursday mccain and lindsey graham, as you know, skewered mr. paul, particularly his filibuster. so who wins this rare old tussle? is it the old guard or the new guard? >> it is an interesting establishment gop versus this tea party gop -- >> who wins? >> you know, i think rand paul within the conservative bubble comes out looking better. now, obviously to you and me we listen to it and graham and mccain are making more sense. rand paul is fighting a good fight against a...